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What about just using NAC instead? Memantine and nicotine patch (small part of patch) optimize activation of cholinergic system. actually that Memantine prevents the Ca2+ signal from spiking and essentially this is the mechanism that prevents drug tolerance from developing I take the nicotine as lozenges to counteract the sedation from the opiates. In humans, memantine is eliminated in a multicompartment model (Merz & Co.) and the contribution of the first phase to drug action is considerably greater than that of the terminal phase (Merz & Co.). After I've eaten and sat down to begun browsing reddit, the fact I've taken the Memantine has almost completely been forgotten by me, I begin to feel a bit spacey and calm. D-145; DRG-0267; Pharmacology Indication. It is less preferred than acetylcholinesterase inhibitors such as donepezil. I smoke tobacco bongs regularly so I seek out heavy nicotine rushes, but when on Memantine most of the rush is gone and it turns into a more deliriant-like experience. It's heavily memory impairing for a few minutes, and fairly confusing at high doses. after unsuccessful treatment from medical professionals, i went on my own trying to find some relief. You can drink cranberry juice to acidify your urine throughout your trip to shorten it's duration, avoid citrus and other foods that basify your urine. Great write up, thanks for the info! Visually fairly similar to ketamine, but more controllable. I can't explain much further, simply because I can't remember what happens when I do it. So that was something. Mild potentiaition occurs but otherwise I haven't found a way to describe exactly what changes, it is a fairly unique experience. Memantine and cerestat produced complete inhibition of ACh‐induced inward currents with affinities similar to that reported for native NMDA receptors. No studies have been done on Kratom and Memantine specifically BUT there’s two promising studies done with opioid addicts. Galantamine side effects. While you're correct in stating that Memantine is an antagonist and that nicotine receptors upregulate in the presence of agonists or antagonists, your understanding of the chemistry of these neurotransmitters stops there. Although heavy doses are still somewhat forgiving, in my experience, I wouldn't start with anything higher than 100mg, even with dissociative tolerance, purely based on duration. Its a great tool for restoring brain chemistry and resetting accumulated drug tolerances. Figures 2A,B shows the effect of memantine on the estimated 2-back working memory outcomes, respectively in the absence and presence of nicotine. Memantine is a medication used to treat moderate-to-severe Alzheimer's disease. Sourcing drugs is NOT allowed here! Tobacco (most likely the nicotine, but I haven't ingested pure nicotine) also changes the subjective experience of Memantine, although only briefly. Ketamine: Much less sedating. I've come to find that most chemicals go: I started taking memantine a few months ago, and have experimented a few times with higher recreational doses. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Memantine is an uncompetitive NMDA receptor antagonist, and subjectively feels somewhere between Ketamine & DXM (perhaps closer to one of PCP analogues, but I can't comment on their subjective effects) with a longer duration than either. From experience, sublingual seems to have the fastest onset, and reasonable bioavailability, but the taste is rather unpleasant. Euphoria is more and more present, but loss of fine and gross motor control becomes more apparent. It is taken by mouth. Sweet write up, it sounds like an interesting drug worth experiencing. Memantine. i'm not bipolar but always had cyclothymia, adhd & anxiety. Upwards of 100mg and the dissociation becomes much more apparent, visuals will take form in the way of perceptual changes; depth perception alteration, visual acuity and colour enhancements are some of the most apparent effects. Get emergency medical help if you have signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.. Galantamine can cause serious skin reactions. The half-life really makes this unsuited for recreational use imo. Page 1 of 3 - Memantine Has Obliterated My Depression and Social Anxiety - posted in Mental Health: Hey all, just wanted to briefly share my experience here. Additional information on Memantine can be found: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Memantine, https://www.erowid.org/pharms/memantine/memantine.shtml, Edit: If you've found this post recently, I've made a follow up post, answering some of the frequently asked questions I was receiving after making this post HERE. Although the half life of Memantine in your body is around 80 hours, the subjective effects are somewhere closer between 12-24 hours, and can be reduced with the acidification of your urine, increasing it's excretion rate. No sweating, over heating, or other common effects from stimulants, possibly due to how mild it's stimulant effects are (for me). You’ll notice in the categories above that some nootropics work in multiple areas of cognitive enhancement.This means fewer nootropics in a well-rounded stack.. And once you dive into the neuroscience behind each nootropic, you’ll find synergy with how many of these ingredients work together.This may result in smaller doses of each for a bigger benefit. It has a pretty clear anxiolytic effect on me. Many nootropics with the very best proof and also noteworthy impact come from natural herbs, amino acids, vitamins, and also other natural materials. This includes: URLs, markets, PMs, etc. Don't dismiss it based on the lack of information that exists on here and elsewhere currently on the internet. The best part of Memantine is that it's available on the clearnet, although you'll have to find sources yourselves. currently, memantine, aniracetam & deprenyl is very effective. Best Nootropics for 2020. Cheers man, I'll put it to good use. (Yes, citric acid causes your urine to become more alkaline, I learnt the hard way) A single oral dose is highly recommended. Agmatine, also known as (4-aminobutyl)guanidine, is an aminoguanidine that was discovered in 1910 by Albrecht Kossel. RTI-111 differs from cocaine by its other addition, a dichlorinated phenyl ring. While I am fairly confident that Memantine will help with opioid withdrawals from what I have read, I am more concerned with its "Nicotine mimetic effects". Common side effects … The high is quite non-intrusive though so it's really best used for a background high I think. Dosing Memantine is simple, but requires some planning and forethought. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Secondary outcomes included cigarette smoking rate and post-quit nicotine deprivation symptoms (e.g., negative affect, withdrawal). It feels almost like you can will yourself in and out of consciousness at that dose. After I've eaten and sat down to begun browsing reddit, the fact I've taken the Memantine has almost completely been forgotten by me, I begin to feel a bit spacey and calm. Its core structure is adamantane, a diamondoid of four interlocked cyclohexane rings in a stable 3-dimensional lattice conformation. Memantine acts as a mild stimulant, raising heart rate and with a sense of weightlessness it feels encouraging to be physically active at low doses. From my personal experience, however, there is little chance of mania or anxiety even in high doses especially in comparison to DXM, and throughout the entire trip you will have a sense of contentment unwavering. Low light settings let the visuals take hold much better and in complete darkness even 100mg may produce visuals on par with high Ketamine doses (for me high constitutes 200mg+), in a respective setting. Memantine is substituted with a methyl carbon at both R3 and R5; it contains an amine substitution at R1. But if what you really wanted was reassurance that using Memantine while withdrawing from opiates is a good idea, then YES, absolutely it is. And for the most part I'm perfectly functional cognivitely. It has a very long half life, and is used medically in doses from 5-10mg(+). I always use Nicotine with my Opioids, and never just take one or the other. How long do the effects last? This is a risk reduction resource. And if you can get a hold of some, ibudilast is showing great promise for people with addictions due to its unique effect on microglial inflammation. Is it possible to hole on? There is some clinical evidence that it can help people recover from stimulant and opioid addictions. When in doubt, DON'T. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Don't re-dose thinking it wasn't a high enough dose, you'll regret the compounding effects of multiple doses. many noots helped & i've been rotating these. Memantine also is a Dopamine D2 agonist, a non-competitive Serotonin 5-HT3 antagonist, a non-competitive nAChRs antagonist with similar potencies to NMDA antagonism and the Sigma σ1 receptor with potentially negligible activity. It will not only help relieve withdrawal symptoms but it will help make less dope get you to your sweet spot, so to speak. Its name is derived from its structure; 3,5-dimethyladamantan-1-amine. Stop using galantamine and call your doctor at once if you have the first signs of any skin rash, no matter how mild.. I was blown away the first time I tried Memantine with weed, it is comparable to DXM with and without weed. Depth perception is by far the biggest impacted sense, and in low light settings will make the room you're in feel like its constantly moving between being a cathedral in size to a shoebox. Methylecgonidine as the direct precursor to this compound. It is stored in neurons and is released during neuronal activation. And anything else you might like to add. I don't think it's for everyone, but it certainly has enough merit for those who like dissociatives to try. Cerestat, IC 50 1.7 (−1; +2) μ M, was more potent than memantine, IC 50 5 (−3;+8) μ M, and the effects of both drugs were fully and rapidly reversible. Although doses will vary from person to person, I believe most beginner users would do well with 50mg as a starting recreational dose. check it out. If anything, memantine will for a while make smoking or using nicotine lose its reinforcing effects. In addition, alcohol, opiates, stimulants and other dissociatives should be avoided when on recreational doses of Memantine as unwanted side effects, such as increased heart rates, respiratory depression, nausea and in worst case death, may occur. Agmatine is derived from L-arginine through decarboxylation (the removal of a carboxylic acid group). When I am in Opioid withdrawal, I cannot tolerate any Nicotine at all, as it greatly agitates my opioid withdrawal. Although I cannot back up this claim with empirical evidence, Memantine is potentiated by Cannabis. Memantine Hydrochloride is indicated for the treatment of moderate to severe dementia of the Alzheimer's type. Thanks again dude. Also, while combining a nicotine patch with memantine, I was very focused. Functional enough to play games like Overwatch and keep up with it without any struggle. I'd figured they would've found cough medicines that work just as well w/o being psychoactive during the War on Drugs but nah lol. In addition to its glutamatergic modulation, memantine also acts as an agonist at the D2 and nicotinic acetylcholinergic receptors (nAChR). I want to bring it to light as the amazing drug it is. I haven't pushed the limits enough to definitively say it exists. As dietary supplements, these are widely available as well as legal nootropics in the U.S.A.. You can buy nootropics in stores or online without a prescription. But if you like dissociatives like DXM/Ketamine, I think it's definitely worth trying. Memantine seems less debilitating than that of Ketamine or DXM. When I am in Opioid withdrawal, I cannot tolerate any Nicotine at all, as it greatly agitates my opioid withdrawal. Duration is manageable with correct dose amount and timing. Memantine (Namenda®) is an uncompetitive NMDA receptor antagonist most commonly used in the management of moderate-to-severe Alzheimer’s disease. Once this is tidied up a little i will make it a featured article on the mainpage and post it to our facebook group. Hey guys, some of you may recognise me as that guy who goes on and on about Memantine's recreational value whenever given the chance, but up until now I didn't really have a way to explain how one might approach Memantine if they were interested in it's recreational potential. To me I'd describe it as similar physical euphoria to a high 2nd plateau/low 3rd plateau DXM, and similar emotional effects, but without the mindfuck that DXM can cause. What is it with cough suppressants getting us high as shit? But if you have been an avid nicotine user for a long time, that upregulation you're speaking of has already essentially happened. Memantine binds and inhibits NMDA receptors with low-to-moderate affinity, most effectively in states of excess glutamatergic activity (such as in substance use disorder). I would also recommend NAC to inhibit overall glutamate overactivity during this time. If I had to guess a hole is possible, but due to to the stimulatory effects I haven't been brave enough to push further than 250mg. The first week I was trialing it, I remember comparing the effects to that of Valium to my doctor and he seemed surprised by how well it was working. And personally I enjoy it a lot. Good, comprehensive guide/advice. Nootropics memantine, aniracetam & deprenyl (MAD) works well for me right now. Memantine is used to manage moderate to severe Alzheimer's dementia Label.. A more recent systemic review and meta-analysis 6 indicates that memantine is beneficial as a first line drug for the treatment of Alzheimer's dementia. I wish you the best in your w/d man. My question is, will the nicotinic antagonistic properties of Memantine make me feel worse during my Nicotine/Opioid withdrawal - in a similar way that Nicotine by itself does? It is produced as a hydrochloride salt in its powdered form. It produces an amazing unique physical euphoria, even in low doses, it's very clear headed, and the visuals are somewhat unique, although I cannot compare it to dissociatives other than Ketamine, DXM & Nitrous. Some gastro-intestinal disturbances could be possible however, due to D2 agonism, there's not much info on this. You need to leave yourself at least 12 hours before you want to sleep before dosing. Above 100mg and you'll likely not be moving from your bed/couch very often, although it is possible. It's worth noting I have never experienced nausea from Memantine, possibly due to the 5-HT3 antagonism. I'm super happy I'm not the only one around here using it like this. Mild potentiaition occurs but otherwise I haven't found a way to describe exactly what changes, it is a fairly unique experience. Super Sour Ketamine is what I would describe the taste as. If you over shoot it, it's a very long time to endure it. Dichloropane is a derivative of 3-phenyltropane. I'm not sure on what specific details your looking for but I can answer in more detail whatever questions you ask. Insufflation works, has a slightly faster onset but is fairly painful. The visuals and euphoria become much more intense and interesting after weed is smoked. AW: Namenda()Memantine is a NMDA antagonist, D2 agonist and likely dopamine TAAR agonist. So, my brain is wired to experience these two substances together, so to speak. Multiple trials have found that memantine can attenuate some of the side-effects of cocaine abuse. I'm sure I'm going to miss more information I wanted to put in here that might be relevant to new users so feel free to ask me anything and I'll get back to you and update this as soon as I can. Memantine changed my life, therapeutic use fixed my depression, stopped me from compulsively using Ketamine to treat it, and has given me a quality of life I had only dreamed of, and I get to trip on it once in a while too. Onset is between 45-180 minutes (As short as 30 minutes sublingually, from experience), so you'll be sitting around for a bit waiting for it to kick in. I am considering using Memantine (at 10mg/day) during a simultaneous Nicotine and Opioid withdrawal. Does it have any effects on the nicotinic receptors? The FDA has officially approved memantine for the treatment of certain cases of Alzheimer’s disease, and this is the most typical medical use of memantine. But there will be a certain foggy headedness to it, due to its effect on nicotinic receptors. Memantine is a cough suppressant as well, so take note of how big your bongs are packed because you wont notice how big it is while pulling it. From a 12 week, placebo controlled 2015 chinese study that gave Memantine to 53 Methadone addicts. How often do you use Memantine for depression? By blocking NMDA receptors, mema… If it isn't apparent guys, I have a lot of spare time. The peak is reached about 2-3 hours after ingestion and will plateau for another 10 hours before slowly diminishing. Memantine will help relieve you of the hyperexcitation of the the nmda circuit that will go bonkers when you quit taking opiates. Memantine is a nicotinic antagonist, which from my limited understanding, both nicotinic Agonists (such as Nicotine) and nicotinic Antagonists (such as Memantine) both upregulate nicotinic receptors. Well dang, I'll have to figure out what my dose would be like (considering I have a dissociative tolerance currently). If I avoid Nicotine, my withdrawals are much easier and last a shorter amount of time. Agmatine is considered to be a neurotransmitter and neuromodulator. Eventually, this study was ceased and smoking should only be considered when modafinil is prescribed, especially among people with psychiatric conditions that have high comorbidity with nicotine dependence. That being said, Memantine is a beautiful drug. I'm on 20mg daily for mood stabilisation. Never heard of this drug before. The physical euphoria is almost like a soft buzzing, underneath the skin, most noticably in the hands, toungue, scalp, and behind the legs. Memantine is a nicotinic antagonist, which from my limited understanding, both nicotinic Agonists (such as Nicotine) and nicotinic Antagonists (such as Memantine) both upregulate nicotinic receptors. How much does it help? YOU WILL BE BANNED FOR ASKING OR PROVIDING DRUG OR PARAPHERNALIA SOURCES, whether illegal or legal. Just remember that there is no 100% safe drug use. Can you elaborate more on how it helped your depression? I can't compare it to MXE, and it's been a few months since I last had ketamine but I'll do the best I can to explain. I've never seen a new user format an article so legitimiately in accordance with the rest of the site. So in a way it will only help you out. Make sure you follow the RULES. The biggest turn off I see people have with recreational use of Memantine is it's duration, and while not overly exaggerated it is manageable. the headspace has much less "static" noise, even compared to being sober. It concluded It's euphoric, mildly stimulating, and very clear headed compared to other dissociatives. Consequently, there is a large pool of high-quality evidence that supports memantine’s use in moderate-to-severe cases of Alzheimer’s disease (AD). Tobacco (most likely the nicotine, but I haven't ingested pure nicotine) also changes the subjective experience of Memantine, although only briefly. Dichloropane is structurally similar to cocaine, atropine and hyoscine, as it contains a tropane ring. However, due to ketamine's difficultly to find, expense, and potential damage to the bladder, it isn't something I can regularly use. Less introspective. Memantine isn't very long term memory impairing, in comparison to DXM, or even Ketamine, but short term memory does seem to suffer a bit and you can lose trains of thought quite easily at high doses. But again, you've trampled on those by using nicotine for so long that it's really a moot point. Press J to jump to the feed. Could you describe to me in as much detail as possible how it feels in comparison to traditional dissociatives such as ketamine, mxe and dxm? Are you certain Memantine won't have a Nicotine mimetic effect? Click here to read the full article @ The European respiratory journal Take care and go up slowly on the memantine. I have a few questions regarding its effects however. I'll explain how some of these play a role in the subjective experience down further. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It still needs a little tidying up which i will get to over the next couple of days but i just wanted to say thank you. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. I may be an outlier with medical significance but if there's even one other person who finds it as beneficial as I do then I'm more than happy to share whatever information I can on Memantine. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Identification Name Agmatine Accession Number DB08838 Description. The tropane ring of RTI-11 is substituted with a carbomethoxy group, also found in cocaine. Nootropics Reddit Nicotine. Memantine, or 3,5-dimethyladamantan-1-amine, is a man-made molecule classified as a substituted adamantane derivative. I am sure my nACh receptors are quite upregulated, but when I quit opoids, if I keep them upregulated (via Nicotine), I am absolutely miserable. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Due to the long half-life of Memantine, it could mean several more days of misery for me if my experiment doesn't pan out. Agmantine is a natural metabolite of the amino acid arginine. Thanks for the thorough reply. Mine does shortly up to the point I'm about to make as well, so no judgment. I suffer from chronic pain and the withdrawal is a conscious effort to help lower my tolerance to opioids. I could see some thereputic use in this because of it's functionality and long half life. Whereas on DXM, it might be too hard to try to play a game. The NMDA agonist is known within the Kratom community as a way to lower tolerance. Treatment should only be continued if beneficial effects are seen. Memantine's suggested neuroprotective effect 2,8 may also increase brain levels of the neuronal marker, N-acetyl aspartate (NAA).Because NAA is found primarily on neuronal axons in the brain, 9 perhaps the neuroprotective effect of memantine can be measured by quantifying the change in NAA concentrations in brain tissue via magnetic resonance spectroscopy. The physical euphoria is apparent, dissociation is only mild, and its still quite easy to stay focused and motivated. I have used ketamine in the past with the intention of helping depression and it was very pleasant at the time. It's clean feeling, compared to DXM. OK just ingested 30 mg, we'll see, I don't want a full blown recreational high but I guess 30mg is good because many drugs just get my anxiety worse. We promote harm reduction and fight against the drugs stigma. Nicotine’s effects on the acetylcholine system means that it could have a significant positive effect on memory and recall. Cholinesterase inhibitors may be added to memantine for further beneficial effects on behavioral symptoms and other … It is formed when arginine is decarboxylated by the enzyme arginine decarboxylase and is found naturally in ragweed pollen, ergot fungi, octopus muscle, herring sperm, sponges, and the mammalian brain. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Memantine may be useful for treating substance abuse and dependence. Thanks! TL;DR: Memantine has a high potential for recreational use. Not using is always safer. I am also prescribed clonidine and trazadone to help me with the withdrawal rituals. 30mg seems to be barely a threshold dose. That means the stronger receptor is activated, the stronger memantine block it. Psychonautwiki founder here, you did an amazing job on the mementine article dude. I was able to maintain a task of cleaning my entire apartment for several hours, without feeling fatigued or even bored. I had structures I could interact with in the 3D world, put my arm behind and have my vision of my arm disappear but still being fully aware of the room I was in. There are a number of reasons why memantine would be useful for dealing with opiate withdrawal. Memantine was tapered up to 20 mg and down to 0 mg over 6 days. Call your doctor at once if you have: But because it also antagonizes nicotinic receptors, you will lose a certain amount of overall dopaminergic tone, especially if you quit smoking at the same time. I feel very clear-headed on memantine. Auditory effects are negligible on Memantine, an enhanced appreciation for music is apparent, but no more than a slight ringing in the ears will be noticed (Memantine has shown efficacy in treatment for tinnitus so who knows what's going on there). 15 Alvin V Terry, Jr, Patrick M Callahan. Seeing as Erowid has limited information on Memantine this guide aims to add another resource out there. Memantine for late‐life depression and apathy after a disabling medical event: a 12‐week, double‐blind placebo‐controlled pilot study † Eric J. Lenze Department of Psychiatry, Washington University, St. … As many comparisons to other common compounds as possible would be extremely useful for fleshing out the subjective effects section. In high doses I found memantine to be a somewhat generic dissociative although it did have some psychedelic style visuals which was a little unusual. With that being said, I don't think memantine would be an enjoyable experience for everyone. According to preliminary research, nAChR agonists like nicotine have the potential to enhance spatial working memory in humans. The one time I've combined LSD and a recreational dose of Memantine was one of the single most euphoric experiences I've ever had. Memantine is voltage-dependent antagonist of nicotinic receptor. T… 1010111okay on reddit.com The phenyl ring of RTI-111 is substituted at R3 and R4with chlorine groups. Structures and voids are very apparent in low light and I would argue go beyond level 4. Discussion of nootropics and cognitive enhancers. Ive had minimal unwanted physical side effects. Memantine seems to work in 'waves' similar to that of LSD, although intervals are somewhat shorter between swells. I have ADHD, best described as the Ring of Fire subtype if you buy into the Amen Clinics categorizations. 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